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E149 GUEST Katie B. Happyy, instagram influencer says your luke warm life is the problem

· Katie B Happyy,mental health,yoga



I'm super happy. Are you happy? Welcome to the Be You Find Happy podcast here. You'll find tips and tricks to inspire you on your way tohappiness, to live a courageous life of authenticity and learn how to speakyour truth with grace. I'm Michaela Johnson, and welcome to our podcast. 


Katie, I am so excited to have you on the find happypodcasts, and we are gonna talk about some really fantastic things in life, um,about your life experiences, about the amazing company and charitableorganization that you have created. And, um, I'm really hoping that we're gonnakind of dive into the whole year end, like, um, you know, get healthy, get in inspired at the start of the new year thing too. So could you share with the listeners a little bit about who you are and how you got where you are and you know, why you describe yourself as a broken badass ? Yeah. I am a Jersey girl at heart that moved out here for college in San Diego area. And so I've, I've experienced both the, the hard grass east coast mentality, and then infiltrated it into the, what I call the sweet spot of the universe. 


I feel like the weather in San Diego is incredibly hard tobe, and it's a transient city, so you get to meet all different flavors oflife. And I attribute a lot of my success to the hardworking attitude that theeast coast instill and then the chill attitude of the west coasters. I, Iexcelled in the, the inspiration points of my life. Let's say, because I just don't know how to turn the off button off or turn the off button off. Exactly. So, um, I currently own a self development company it's called, be inspired and it is, we do international retreats around the world and I lead online and in person workouts, but I always, I say, it's not just a workout. It's also a workout in because it's not enough to just do squats and pushups and, and warrior two. And Aranga, you have to be able to take tools from the movement and instill them within the internal body as well. 


And so I've built my life and my career around our abilityto have tools in our toolbox to make sense of the chaos of our own lives, thehot mess, and the broken badassery that we all are, and, and really truly havethings to cope. As we know that the only thing is constant is change. And oneof the hardest parts for me was in COVID a lot of the identity that I had built over the past 15 years had been completely put to a halt. I think a lot of us can feel that way, but there was no international travel. There was no in person events. And, and so a lot of the things that I always thought were me were really kind of shook. And so, um, it's been such an interesting couple of years, couple, uh, lockdown years and, and been a cool experience of creating a new phase and a new next step of who we are. 


I, I love what you talk about and I love how, you know,the, what I'm seeing is people either do it one way or the other either they aredigging deep and tapping into their resiliency in their grit and finding whatdrives them and brings them happiness in this moment. Or they're justcompletely wallowing in fear and self-doubt, and you know, all of these various different things. Um, and one of the things that you kind of touched on that I think is so important, and I know this has been a big part of my life too, is, you know, I feel like as a generation, as a society, as a whole, we have kind of gotten into this lukewarm mindset where, you know, if it's cold in the house, we turn up the heat. If it's hot in the house, we turn on the air conditioner and we don't really ever spend any time in that kind of super uncomfortable, um, space. 


And I feel like just generally we've had had a relativelyeasy existence and for, there are some of us who have not. And I think those ofus are the ones who have found COVID and the pandemic to be a little bit lesstraumatic because we've already kind of been through things like this in ourlives that brought us to a screeching Hal, or brought us down to our knees. And, um, where now everybody on the planet in some way is experiencing what only, maybe a small few of us had to before. So I think that's, um, you know, kind of what you're talking about there. Um, one of the things that you say is, you know, that they, that people should cheers to their intimacy with the moment and cheers to being broken in badass. What does that look like? What does that mean for you? 


When I was 14, my mom passed away of breast cancer. Shewas 43. And so when I, in the book that, that launches next week, it's calledcheers to chaos, eight tools for the puffy item, powerful, the, it, it outlinesin one of the chapters, the, the real vulnerable story behind the things I did.Right. And did wrong surrounding my mom's death. And, you know, being able to just kind of see someone take this big breath in, like we all do, and then they exhale and then they don't inhale again. And it kind of messed with the, the way that I look at life, the way I see our, our possibility, because I looked at my mom's lifeless body and I was like, wait, that's it. Like, we just exhale.  like, there's gotta, there's gotta be something more than just an exhale. And so I, I feel like I've been on this kind of lifelong pursuit of figuring out what, what is the meaning for us being here? 


And also every second, 1.8 people stop breathing people,you know, we, we take it. So for granted, we think like, oh, of course I wokeup today. But actually, if you, if you can change the perspective of, I got towake up today, it's hard, but it's one of those things where we can look at andbe like. Then why did I actually get to wake up today? What was the reason in which I was given another chance to take an inhale and exhale because so many people don't and the intimacy becomes this inward journey of why am I here? Why did I get another breath? And, and I think, like you said, with the air conditioning and the heat thing, I so relate to that. It's one of those things where, okay, it's not, it's not always supposed to be about happiness and inspiration and always feeling good actuality. 


Most of life doesn't always feel that way, but it's beingable to sit in the chaos of the storm, being able to sit at what I call rockbottom cafe and, and take a sip, or I take a shot at tequila. They're like,well, I'm here. I mean, I've been here many times before all there is the onlyway to go is up now. And so you, the more times, like you said, if you're more seasoned in the chaos, if you understand the it's a part of life, then, then the waves don't hit you as hard. Then you can sit at that cafe, take a shot and then work your way back up to whatever the next GPS point is in your life. Really odd. I sometimes I just wonder, we were talking about the whole next GPS thing. Um, so listen, you have experienced a period of time where you had some facial paralysis. 


Um, can you talk a little bit about that experience? And,you know, I've been hearing that there have been a lot more diagnosed cases ofthis, and I'm just curious if you're willing to share some of your experiencewith that. Yeah, actually, I've heard that too. I think there was a little bitof hype built, uh, with the vaccines around it, but in actuality, so bells palsy is a inflammation of the cranial nerve of C seven. And what that does is a nerve that lines from the back of your neck, all the way through your, basically your temple, where the skull has a little bit of a hole there. And there's one big nerve that fires to make your lift, to make your nostrils flare, to make your eyelid close and to make your mouth open and close. It's a nerve. And it, bells palsy is a virus that infects the nerve and it, when the nerve becomes inflamed, it basically can't fire. 


And so your face is completely stuck open. It looks like abotched Botox, ch you're just like stuck you're Placid and your eye, doesn'tclose your lips. Don't close your eyebrow, doesn't move. Um, about 40,000people a year. Get it in America. It's a pretty low number, but it's gottenmore attention recently because you know, people very famous people have had it. George Clooney, Angelina Jolie. They just, they just go into hiding when it happens, cuz it's super embarrassing and it's hard to deal with, but mine was about four and a half months and it was, it was, oh my gosh, crushing because I sit in front of well at the time in 2015, when I had it, I was at, at the height of my in-person teaching. So I was seeing about 600 people a week, live in classes and to sit in front of that classroom, as what I thought, the beacon of health, you know, late twenties being this like super Yogi fitness girl. 


And then all of a sudden, my face is paralyzed. It wasthis kind of like kick in the, the subtle body, the, the energy body saying,well, what do you really, what is not working that you have to look at? Becauseinflammation of any sort is, you know, small things over time that are buildinginto inflammation. Eventually inflamed cells can become cancer. Inflames can become DISE disease in the body. And so we have to look at from a more macro perspective, what was I not paying attention to that maybe could have caused this paralysis and this inflammation now researchers don't really know what exactly causes it. There's not one thing you can pinpoint some people, if they have a accident, um, it will happen or, uh, like Lys disease will cause it. But besides that, if you don't have those two things like me, it's the doctors are like, good luck. 


Here's some steroids. Hopefully it helps. But it, youknow, 80% of people heal well, myself is like 80% of people. Are you kiddingme? Like that means 20 at 20%, don't get their smile back. Right, right, right.Wow. I was going a little crazy. So I really took it the first month I was, uh,you know, soul searching. I did the opposite of everything I was doing. I was acupuncture every hour. I would've normally done some sort of movement practice. I was sleeping 10 hours a night. I was just trying to, to get all of my, what the Eastern doctors would call, increase my blood there's Chi and there's blood, the young and the yin. And so I had to increase more of my blood. I had to chill out essentially  and they said, you know, your blood is low. Your Chi is high. 


We gotta rebalance that. So I would, did act acupuncturelike three or four times a week. I took all the supplements and did all thethings. And when it really comes down to it, it's I think, and I'll neverreally know that because I was able to sit in front of 600 people a week inSouthern California. You know, my clientele is very into the way they look as well as the way that they're working on their insides. And so for me to still teach a class with S SL coming out in my mouth, tr like holding my eyelid together with a tape or whatever I could just say to you guys like, Hey, don't take your smile for granted. Don't take your health for granted because at least I have half of my smile working. You know, you got like, I just woke up like this. This is my ability to sit in front of you and say, we can't take it for granted. 


I, I like that. You said that, um, I think that you bringup a good point that every day we have to know that our lives, our blessingsare et cetera, are not to be taken for granted. And I think, you know, when wecan tap into a space of gratitude for simple things, like the day, I think itdoes, um, just create a much more, a happy or path to living. Um, and it, and we find ourselves less wrapped up in the things that aren't working or the things that we find depressive or upsetting, et cetera. You know, when you kind of strip it down to like, Hey, we should just be grateful for the health that we have in this very moment. Or, you know, the ability to have a good breath today. That sort of thing. Yeah. Um, I, I think it's also like, like, think about the last time you had the flu or even a common cold and you know, some people even sicker with COVID, but I give this example sometimes where, when we have the flu, all we, all we wanna do is not be sick. 


We do anything. Or if you have a shoulder injury, let'ssay you tore your rotator or hurt your or knee. All you can focus on is gettingbetter. But the second we get better, you know, it's a good thing. It's acoping mechanism as a human. The second we get better, we're onto otherstressors. Oh, I wish I had this. Or, you know, people are harping on their wrinkles or their eyebrow hair or whatever it is. And we kind of forget, oh my God, just a couple months ago, I was on my death bed with this horrible flu and all of a sudden, like for me, in my case, Bell's palsy every day, I'd wake up and pray, please. If I just get my smile back, I will never take it for granted again. And there are plenty of days, five years later that I totally do. 


But it's one of those things where if we can be, like wesaid, if Bell's pals was my rock bottom cafe, at some point, can I keeprevisiting chaos and remember that? Yes, it's gonna balance my chaos, myneutral. So the chaos isn't so bad, but also when the goods come, the goodstuff, I feel like we get to savor it more. We really do say, wow, this is a good day where everything's working, I'm breathing. Yes. My, my face is working. My, my injuries aren't there. I don't have the flu. And there's these graceful moments to sit back and really just say to ourselves, like, this is, you could take it in almost, even deeper and more truly. Hmm. And, and you're not wrong. It's absolutely right. Um, so, so out of curiosity, when you, when you think about the idea of kind of letting go of some of the things that are ailing you or upsetting you, what comes to mind for how to do that? 


I mean, beyond the deep breath that we kind of talk about,or, you know, what, what, what do you do? How, how does it work for you torecreate balance essentially? Is that what you're asking? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Iam a firm believer that balance isn't found it's created. Um, and we're allcyclical beings. I kind of have a, like three to four week cycles, whether it's the moon cycle essentially, or, or if it's just noticing your own patterns. But if I feel out of whack, I have to start with what I'm ingesting, but not just like a hundred ounces of water a day and get my leafy greens and, you know, add a salad a day or whatever it is. It's also what I'm in ingesting through media, through friends, like, what am I having to digest every day? That's in my surroundings. I'll notice when I come out of balance, like maybe I'm watching more TV, I'm not, you know, taking a morning walk or spending the first 10 minutes when I get out of, before I get up out of bed, it's not on my screen. 


It's like 10 of, let me just set the mental tone for theday without any screen. Let me visualize what I want. But there's thesepractices that you kind of know, at least I do like tried and true that workfor me. Okay. I know movement every day matters. I know water and sleep, ahundred ounces of water, plus eight hours of sleep. For me matter, those are things that are tra right and true methods, but we just get out of practice, we self sabotage, and then I can feel it a couple weeks in where those tiny decisions, the little bad ones that have added up, maybe I've had a few more drinks that week or a few mu more screen time. And then by the end of the week, I just feel depleted and numb and not, not myself. It's like I have to reintegrate the practices that I probably don't wanna do. I don't wanna read 30 minutes before bed, but when I get back into the habit of reading and all of a sudden I'm enjoying it, but it's like, right. You, you gotta take that first step. You can't turn the TV on. I gotta open the book. Right, right. Uh, so, so it really comes down to just kind of like having some, um, what, what, what's the term I'm like totally on the term, but like, um, some self-motivation like to be able to know, like, even though I don't want to, I need to. 


Yeah. And, and this goes back to what you said, like theLuke warmness. I love that analogy because it, we can be Luke warm, but thenour life also becomes Luke warm mm-hmm . So if we're Lukewarm in our endeavors, okay. I'll just, I'll default to watching another lawand order . If we're just Luke warm and let that be what guides me, then I'm gonna be Luke warm in what I'm feeling and experiencing in my life. But if I take that, that 30 minutes that I would've watched a show and I replace it with a book that someone's recommended to me, it's all of a sudden things start like doors, start to open pathways. I, my default is when I don't wanna deal with the world, I like to be busy. I like to be too busy to feel experience, see, hear, talk, whatever. 


I'm just go, go, go, work, work, work. But in actualityfor me, if I can just like, create a little bit of space and, and 30 minutesof, of book, even if I'm not getting through a whole chapter, I'm just readinga little or 10 minutes of a walk or that, that I do the snooze thing in themorning. I hit my snooze, but I don't sleep. I just make myself like, sit there and start to visualize how I want my day to, to go through and what would be something that would make me proud today. I love that. And if I could just do that right, then all of a sudden I create space for things to drop in because there's, there's so much goodness that exists within our own mindscape if we're only willing to just sit there and be with it. Hmm. 


So let's switch gears for just a second. You're, you know,uh, uh, Lululemon model in influencer, what's it like to be in the limelightall the time? Do you think people have like this expectation with, you know, ahandle? Like, um, what is it be inspired and, and happy be happy. Yeah. I meanlike what, how, how, I mean, do you have like this pressure to like always be on and be perfect and be good? Like what's, what's that like for you just being in that world? Yeah, I think so. At some of the peak of my touring as like, um, uh, uh, yoga, let's say teacher, I was touring with wanderlust, um, and Lululemon had me. I was the international model in 2016 for their, their spring collection. So at that point, that's right when my Bell's palsy hit oh, and still, wow. 


Like I would say the peak of my face being seen let's putit that way. And so that was really soul crushing and ego crushing in a goodway. I had to take a step back and ha ask myself whenever I'm doing whateverI'm doing. If people can't see my physical smile, can I still with my actionsand my words make them feel like I'm smiling to them. And it was a self kind of like, okay, take a step back and are what you doing and thinking, aligning with that outward expression of, of who you are, even if your face can't a smile. So then in the, in the next couple years, I've taken a step back into trying to be more quality over quantity in my events and, and, and showings. And now recently, as this book is coming out, it's eight chapters chronicling the deepest and most vulnerable parts of my life. 


And so talk about being in the limelight. I may not beable to see as many people as I used to physically in person, but people arecoming out of the woodwork saying, oh my God, you know, my mom died and I wasanorexic. And you know, I, I never knew you went through paralysis. And thebook chronic is a deep heartbreak of mine, the love of my life, like, and how we, we just weren't in the right place at the right time. And people were coming and talking about their heartbreak. And all of a sudden I'm realizing that, yes, I might have pulled back a little bit from the physical in person. Let me see you limelight. But now the bone abilities of, of my inner story are out there and, and people wanna talk about it. And, and that is, I'm still working on how I can handle all of that incoming. 


And also what it looks like to be someone who offers toolsand story, but I'm not a therapist. I'm not a certified anything in thatdirection. I just am someone who's lived a lot of life. And I think that mystory can make you feel less alone in your own story and in your own chaos, youknow? Mm, totally. I have a friend that often says I'm not smart. I'm experienced. , it's like, oh, it's so true. But I mean, I would think that, you know, being in the role that you're in and I, and I can kind of relate to this too. I actually, um, published a memoir, um, years ago, uh, called teetering on disaster about growing up in the rural sea Nevadas with no running water, no electricity. Um, and then kind of getting to this really fancy dance life in San Diego with a, you know, beautiful ocean view home. 


And then all of it coming, crashing down and findingmyself running back to this like small rural town. And, um, and so when it cameout, you know, there was all this press and then everyone's looking at me andthen now I've got this happiness podcast. And there's times in my life where Ifeel like, you know, people are kind of like scanning and going like, well, what's her status? Well, how's she doing? Am I, and you know, there's been times in my life where it's felt like I'm not allowed to have emotions other than everything on the upscale, you know,  um, and that's just not reality. And so that's one of the things that try to, to tell people and share with them in my psychotherapy practice. It's like you do your most, um, impressive growth and, um, and change in life when you're most uncomfortable when you are at your worst is when you're old Olympic reptilian brain kicks in and says, I need to fix this. 


I need to change this. This is not working anymore. Andwhen we are Luke warmer, we are comfortable. We tend to stay in thatcomfortable life. Like you said, you know, we don't really have that motivationto kind of go when everything's just blase and chugging along were doing okay.And then what I find in, in my work as a therapist is that, you know, people wake up one day and they're like, wow, I really hate my life. , you know, like it was fine until it wasn't  then it is like, because we live there and we're going, and we're going, and we're going until then, like, oh no, no, no, this is not great. Um, so I tend to see people in my practice when they're in that space of like , um, 180, you know? So, um, but I think it's, I think it's, uh, to just kind of tie it all back together from what I was saying was, you know, being in that space of having people look up to you, um, I think it's really cool that, you know, you show up in a way where you say, yes, this is me and this is also me mm-hmm . 


And through witnessing all of me, I'm hopeful that I canoffer something to you, you know? And I love that. I like that. Yeah. You know,my, my current partner, he always, he does and always understand some of theyoga stuff I do. And he is like, but what gives you any sort of, uh, likecredit or ability or right. To tell people how to live their life. And I'm like, I'm not doing that at all. I am literally offering a window into my life so that you feel less alone. If maybe you can get something out of my story, like I'm not, I don't wanna be the person that tells you exactly how to do it. I just wanna show you because one of my strong suits and I I've never really understood this until I've started writing, is that I'm very open. And like, I'm incredibly honest. 


I mean, the first chapter, the introduction of my book isabout a happy ending. And so like, I have endings massage. And so it's like,I'm crude and vulgar and it's, I don't mind like sharing it all. And so in thataudacity of just saying like, this is life's too short to care, I'm not gonnabe embarrassed that I got a happy ending massage. I think it's hilarious. And other people should know about it. Like it's not, it's totally okay. And in that audacity of sharing everything from the funny, happy ending, all the way down to, you know, the intricacies of how I treated my mom when she was sick and bald and, and dying, like those are things that really happen. And I know that I can't just be me. And so I'm not, I'm not that you should live your life a certain way. 


I'm saying, I hope you just feel less alone by the storiesand the, the, the chaos that I'm offering to you. Mm-hmm, absolutely. Um, you know, it's interesting too, is people can choose to, or notto, and I love, um, you know, like, Hey, here, here, here is I is, is who I am.And if you find something from this, great, if not move along, that's fine. You know, like mm-hmm, , I always encourage people to, to use some discernment when they're, you know, um, kind of taking like a lead from anybody, you know, like don't lose yourself in that, but definitely take what you can. And I think that we all kind of come into each other's lives. I had a friend once tell me, um, some people come into our lives. It's like an antibiotic. We need them for a brief amount of time to get back on our feet or whatever. 


And then they move on. And I think that that's part of theflow of life is, you know, kind of that motion and, um, totally separately.Yoga's been a huge part of my life. I started doing yoga when it was calledstretch and flex  and I mean that, and then, you know, in the, inthe Western culture, like in, in college, it was called stretch and flex. So that's when I first started doing it like, oh, you're really flexible. You know, you should go with this. And then my second kind of experience with yoga was, um, when I was living in San Diego and I was like, you've gotta come to this like really awesome, like stretch class. And I was like, okay. And it turns out it was like a Biram yoga studio. And I had gotten totally drunk the night before at one of the fun bars at the beach. 


And, oh my God, I ended up laying on a mat like, wow, Ididn't know, sweat could be white. This is fun.  hat my life foran hour and a half. She's all just lay down, just lay down. I'm like, I hateyou.  right. I feel like we've all been there in that, thathorrible. Get me out of this.  um, and then you fast forward, like, um, well, so shortly after that I had a friend, I met a friend that has a yoga studio in Encinitas actually called bliss. I don't know if you're familiar with Lorraine, but, um, yeah. Yeah. And, and so she's a, she's a good, good friend of mine for many, many years. And so I started doing her yoga classes in oh seven or oh eight. And then, um, you know, now I'm living back up in rural, Northern California and, and a hot studio here is so fun. 


And one of my, you know, best friends ever spent on thispodcast is, uh, a fellow, um, Yogi influencer on Instagram. Um, Stephanie now,I don't know if you're familiar with her, but yeah. Um, yeah, so kind of smallworld, so it's, it's really cool to connect with you to kind of like hear yourstory and, uh, just, um, you know, so inspiring truly. And I love that you're just showing up as you are. And I think that's just really magical and powerful and amazing, especially right now. Like the world is just so fricking, that's like to, to your, to your partner today, it's like, Hey, if somebody can bring somebody, some happiness laughter joy, inspiration, like amen. Like that's fabulous. You know what, and like, you're, you're truly saying it because, you know, on a day to day, sometimes in the, the giving professions that the both of us are in, we may not see the exact results, but you get that one message from someone that said that was exactly what I needed to hear. 


Like you were talking to me or, you know, I'll getmessages, especially during quarantine because I had a much bigger onlineYouTube. And I have now like an online, um, subscription service, 10 bucks amonth, you get all my stuff. But like people from around the world were stuckin their house and doing this stuff that I would've never been able to access necessarily. And I typically the, the month that COVID really got that in March of 2020, I was still in India with my group teaching at the international yoga festival. Oh wow. We were all like kumbaya and the Himalaya pretending like it wasn't happening. And all of those people that we were basically rushed back to America, they all became online friends of mine that I may have not have connected with so deeply. And it's like now people in India that I talked to often, or because it was an international festival, there was people from Europe and China. 


It's like, just that one message, that one comment on thevideo, like that was exactly what I needed or, you know, you've really, reallyhelped my ability to stay focused, that little stuff. That's what matters likeyeah, screw it. If it doesn't help everyone or yeah. Even if you don't see thelong term result, but that little bit, it's just like, what are we gonna do? We gotta give the back. So this is interesting. I had a supervisor when I was in my internship for, to become a psychotherapist. And I was telling her, you know, I'm really struggling with the fact that like, I don't know what happens to them in their life after these brief four sessions, you know, like or five sessions or six sessions or whatever. And she drew this picture and, uh, it was so freaking cool. It stuck in my mind ever since then, which is like 12 years ago now. 


And she, she drew a line and she said, this is thetrajectory this person was on. Um, and she says, you come into their life righthere. And she like bumps the line. Right. And then, and, and so then she says,and now this is their trajectory. And so she continues out the line and shesays, had they not met you? And she finishes the line straight across the page. This is where they would've ended up. But because of this bump and this changing trajectory, this is where they end up. And it was like, wow, that is so freaking cool to think about it like that. Right? Like it's this little tap in the trajectory of someone's life. And it changes completely where they end up, you know? And I thought that that was so freaking cool. I loved it. It stuck with me forever. 


That is, that is perfect. And also it's something that I,I hope that happens when, you know, I think Huff feast, the poet is very famousfor saying that everyone you interact with is God talking. If you're willing tolisten so often, like, I don't think we can, we can, we have two choices. We canlive as if nothing has meaning or as if everything has meaning. Right. And so in order to make my day to day, my humdrum, like, you know, the tasks we have to do and, and the life that sometimes is often boring. Um, a little bit more palatable. I like to pretend like everything has meaning, like every person you bump into every psychotherapist that you have three sessions with every yoga class that you jump into. Mm-hmm,  every person who cuts you off in traffic. It's like an opportunity to say, okay, if this is a little, uh, this was intentional, this was supposed to happen in some way or another, what is there to learn from it? 


And I hope that people can either listening to thispodcast or reading the book or drop it into a class or whatever it is. Ifthere's one little thing that they can take that, like you said, takes thatline up, then man, we're, that's good. Like we're doing it. .Yeah. I love, I love that because, uh, a couple years ago, this is quite a few years ago. Now. I feel like this was before my son was born. So a long time ago I saw this like, uh, I don't know if it was a commercial or what it was, but it was a video clip of basically somebody going through their day and, and, um, little things happened. Right. So then they turned left on the street and then they got stopped at a red light. So then they stopped and then the light went green and they show this entire scene and then they back it up and do it a different way. 


And it was crazy to see like how all of those littleminute moments of your life can lead to huge change, like puts you in a totallydifferent space. And I think that, um, to your point, like way early on when westarted this podcast, like waking up and saying like, I'm grateful for thisbreath, I'm grateful for my smile. I'm, you know, I've got this, I need to be grateful for this or whatever. Like all of those little tea, tiny things are, I think what we miss sometimes, you know, mm-hmm  yeah. And it's hard. It's hard when you're in your day to day and you're like, mm-hmm okay, fine, Katie. Like, I'll be, I'll be grateful for my breath, but , I, I do think that that's the reason we have tragedy and life altering moment, because then it, it does force us to do those things. 


Yep. I think you're absolutely right. I absolutely thinkyou're right. Um, this was really awesome. Chatting and visiting with youtoday. Um, I wanted to point out that you have this one shot, uh, I forget whatpose you is. Some sort of a handstand on the beach, um, on the cliff. And I'mcurious, was that Del, was that Delmar or where, where is that shot? Do you know which one I'm talking about? You hat on? Yeah. Sunset cliffs. Okay. Was wondering. So I used to live right on Cape may right near there. Um, and yeah, and then I also lived on Delmar, um, in, in Delmar, just down from dog beach as well. So, so much of your, yeah, so much of your Instagram, I'm like, oh, reminiscent of like all like happy moments. So I actually did a photo shoot once right there, um, on sunset cliffs area with a surfboard. 


I never served a day in my life, but  on apostcard somewhere in a gas station. And, uh, it was freezing that day and Ihad on a red bikini. And so I had to, I, I brought my sweatshirt and so I waslike putting it on in between shoot shoots, and then I take it off, put it, youknow, that whole deal to stay warm. And the sweatshirt got left there at the end of the day. And it was like my favorite freaking sweatshirt oh my God. And I always wondered, like, did it wind up in the ocean? Did it get blown away? Did somebody snatch it? Like whatever happened that sweatshirt, I get a really lucky homeless person is wearing it hope so. I hope they're really enjoying that perfectly fitting gray sweatshirt that I love. Um, so listen, how can people get ahold of you? 


How can they find out about your bootcamp, your beinspired workshops, your book coming out, like how can people get in touch? Somy book launches December 14th on Amazon. Um, it'll be available anywhere inprint in like 30 K countries. So, uh, that's, Amazon's called cheers to chaos.Katie be happy on Instagram. Uh that's that's also throughout all platforms. And then, uh, my website, the, uh, is this cool site where you can see all my international trips. I got Italy, South Africa, India, Mexico coming up in 2022. And then the on demand workouts. You get programming each week for me, which is awesome. I send a weekly email with like, literally Monday, click this 30 minute workout, do it Tuesday, click do this one. So it's like mindless and I take care of the whole programming. Oh, fantastic. And as always, we put all the links in the show notes, Katie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and talking all things. Life inspired, happiness, grit and resiliency.  thank you so much for having me. This has been really enjoyable and we'll chat soon. Take care. Yay. This has been a BU find happy podcast for more inspiration. Check out the links.