Michaela (00:00):
Welcome back to the podcast. This is number two in the series today. I have Ken D foster. He's been on the podcast before folks, but this time we get a little bit more raw, a little bit more real. We have some conversations about agendas about who's leading and who's following about the mainstream media about our intuition. And we really dive into why people are afraid to speak up. I really hope you're enjoying the new series of the BU find happy podcast, but why, if you like it, click subscribe, leave a comment, leave a rating and let us know.
Awesome to have you back on Ken.
Ken (00:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's good to have you back up. We'll be connecting with you. Hold on one second. I'm having a hard time here now. Okay, good.
Michaela (00:12):
Yeah. I I'm. I'm glad that you were able to come on today. I was going down the, uh, social media rabbit hole again while I was waiting for you. So I'm like, Oh no. Um, I'm glad that I'm kind of jumping out of that hole to do this instead. Cause this seems more productive.
Ken (00:31):
Ah, well that rabbit hole will take you away down to, you know, you just, you look up and you go, wow. 20 minutes went by.
Michaela (00:39):
Wow. Isn't it true? It's unbelievable. So, so listen, the last time we had you on it was full blown B you find happy podcast. And one of the things that I have done recently actually starting, um, by the time this airs, it will have been a couple of weeks prior, but, um, is a new series where we are asking, but why, um, for all sorts of things that are happening and you know, how people are responding and, and kind of looking at alternative ways of thinking and you are a great, great candidate for alternate thinking. Um, so I'm super happy that you're going to be on and kind of sharing these things. Um, but before we get started, can you just tell the listeners a little bit about who you are and what you,
Ken (01:24):
Um, yeah, I, uh, thank you Kayla for that. Well, listen, I'm a best selling author. I'm a keynote speaker. I have a radio show called voices occurs. It's hurting about 165 countries right now on nine networks, 250 stations or so, and we talk about courageous things. So I'm also, I'm a father of a, I've got three daughters, I've got a whole bunch of grandkids and, uh, loved life from a triathlete. Um, uh, I'd love to come compete. And, um, that's, that's me in a nutshell. Yeah.
Michaela (02:03):
So the last time that we talked was like the beginning of COVID. So, um, it's just crazy how different the world is and yet how utterly the same. I was kind of hoping that by now the world would look a little bit differently than it does, but, but we're here, we're here now. Right.
Ken (02:20):
We're here, we are here. And, uh, I think that's, that's a big part of, uh, coping right now is just being here, being present to what is not what we want it to be or wish it could have been. Right.
Michaela (02:34):
It's so true. Um, and I find so many people that are kind of what a thing and, um, Whoa is meeting and I'm like, Hey, I can only do that for like so long. And then we kinda gotta move forward with where we're at now.
Ken (02:49):
Yeah.
Michaela (02:50):
Um, so kind of in, in kind of switching the podcast gears to these more, um, and the, you know, this podcast has always had open conversation, but kind of just really getting a little bit more raw. Um, you have a show called voices of courage. I've been on that show. I will tell you though, in the past couple of weeks, I made my Instagram private. I started having some more courageous conversations. Um, and I say conversations, but really just kind of sharing some, some things that I've like called question on my social media and, um, you know, being a little more courageous with that. And I have been utterly shocked at how, uh, either a overwhelmingly positive the responses then, or B how utterly negative and shameful. So I'd like to have a conversation with you about that. Can I think there are a lot of people right now that are feeling uneasy in their belly that are questioning things that they've always thought to be true or known to be true, are taken at face value, and that is creating a lot of unrest and turmoil in relationships. Um, what do you think about that?
Ken (04:10):
Well, I think the country is very polarized right now and in one sense, and then in another sense it's changing rapidly. So what I've noticed out there McKayla is that there seems to be almost, I would call them pods, P O D S, where you have a pod, um, up in, let's say a South Dakota where the governor has, uh, you know, basically a no mask, no shut down policy and people are living in that paradigm. You have people in Los Angeles that, uh, the, the governor or the mayor has pretty much shut down. Everything you go to there, everybody's wearing masks and you got a different paradigm. You're living in, you come down to San Diego, the beaches are open, everybody's hanging out. There's nothing fun, social distancing around here. It's another paradigm that's just in that kind of, uh, yeah, those types of situations.
Ken (05:04):
But what I'm finding is that this is happening in political circles, in health circles, in, uh, areas of fitness areas of personal development. Everybody has, it's like everybody is starting to come out and starting to actually kind of question, I think a little bit about, more about who am I, what do I stand for? Um, am I open to seeing things differently? Can I accept everybody else's point of view and still not lose myself, allow people to have their own point of view. Um, there's a lot of questions going on, but I think we can use this as a real growth, um, kind of a fishbowl, like we're, we're in this giant world together. How can we really start to develop ourselves and change ourselves, maybe change everything we don't like about ourselves right now. And as a result, change the world. I I, and I'll say one last thing around that.
Ken (06:08):
Um, I think a lot of people have got it wrong. I think they're out there trying to change the world first and not really looking at themselves. And I think we see the results of that by a lot of what I want to say, this guided maybe is a nice way to put it misguided information, um, that is being put out by a lot of different people in a lot of different ways. And it's, um, you don't want somebody to speak stuff that is your common sense, your wisdom, your intuition, you know, this is not even right. This is wrong. I think they don't have, I think they don't know themselves. And I think they are, you know, what makes con people dangerous is because they believe the con, they look the stuff they're putting out. Okay. That's what makes them dangerous. And that's what makes you know, dangerous. Meaning it's easy to fall for. Somebody's paradigm some of these truths when they believe it's so dear deeply, but you go, well, wait a second, this, it doesn't align with reality. It doesn't align with science. It doesn't align with, with what we've learned. Uh, maybe even about the pandemics since we started. Right. But people are still in a paradigm if there's talking about all this old stuff about where we started from, but they haven't looked at the science, haven't learned anything. So there's a whole paradigm of people that really haven't learned anything.
Ken (07:40):
Go ahead.
Michaela (07:41):
Oh, I love that. And I've, and I've been saying on the daily, like highly intelligent people that I know are acting so freaking irrational right now that I'm like mind boggled. I mean, I'm just, I'm just like, it's been really shocking to me and I, and I love what you said about the con and you know, one of the things that I, whether you like Michael Jackson or not one of my favorite, favorite songs of all time ever is man in the mirror. And I do believe that to make a change, to go, to start with yourself, um, start with the man in the mirror. And, you know, I I've been the way I've been showing up is having always been the kind of kid who was asking, but why, you know, and having had a mom and dad that were constantly saying, just because I know that's not good enough, I, I'm still going to ask you over and over again.
Michaela (08:30):
I been asking that question a lot and then I've been researching and all sorts of alternative ways. I've, I've been looking up various different things. I've been following certain monies and different things like that. And I'm finding these things that are just mind blowing. And then I would present that to my audience, like, well, why, for example, what I found today, right before you and I got on the phone and we don't even have to talk about it, but it's just one of these things. Why do they have to do a study in advance of the COVID vaccine to figure out how to respond to people with a differing beliefs on whether or not to get the vaccine? There's a whole study on clinical trials duck up. And I'm like, what, why, why did it, why is that a thing? Why are we spending money on a study to convince people of a vaccine, like before there's even a vaccine, right?
Michaela (09:19):
Like, so I put, I put that out there. I put that sort of thing out there. Um, you know, I I'm on the U S government website the other day and see that they purchased all these syringes from a company called abject. When I go to objects website, I find out, they say, U S government, we're going to handle blah, blah, blah. I dig a little further on these abject syringes, which is by a company called rapid. And I start researching the rapid PDF for the syringe that our government government bought plain sight, not hiding it. And it says they all come with an RFID on it, but why, why is it got an RFID on it? Like, and I'm not saying it's good, bad, or otherwise, maybe it's a great thing to just know where these things went in case something happens, who knows, but why. Right. And I'll put that on my social media. And then people I think get very triggered by it. Like, like they don't want to see that. Like it's like, Nope, don't show me that I'm not, I'm not going there. And so then they backlash.
Ken (10:13):
Right? Right. Well, it's, it's a very interesting time. I mean, you know, ignorance, they say is bliss, but I believe ignorance is creates pain and suffering and, and, uh, challenges for you, your family and everybody else down the road. Um, so it is interesting where you can post something about, um, what you found here's, here's what I found here's, you know, uh, yeah, I think it was a Pence, uh, uh, vice president of pencil the other day, his, uh, uh, his, uh, one of his videos. He put out that, um, we have, uh, several million of the, uh, what they call these syringes. Right. That's the nation syringes that have already been made and they're, they, I think it was him or somebody else said, yeah, we're anticipating and vaccinating to 2 billion people. And I thought, wow, that's cool. That leaves the other 5 billion. They're like myself, that won't be vaccinated.
Ken (11:09):
But, um, you know, I even to say that, you know that, uh, some people will listen to this and go, Oh my God, Ken's not going to get bachelors. Well, no, absolutely. I will get back. So they ended up not an empty Baxter. Um, but what I'd like to make sure is that the studies have been done prior to, uh, being me being vaccinated, my family being vaccinated. I think I like to, I like to err on the side of wisdom and air on the side of caution and not just to go out there and put myself at risk and my family at risk. So that's kinda where I come from, but I'm not saying that's right for everybody to do. I'm just saying that's right for me.
Michaela (11:47):
Right. And so what I'm saying is exactly in line with this, like, regardless of whether we're vaccine or not vaccine or anti-vaxxer, you're not an anti-vaxxer, why are we, why are we shamed for asking the questions? Why are we shamed for wanting to have a dialogue? And you know, why is there such mystery behind these things? Or, and in a lot of times it's in plain sight, but, but why is maybe, perhaps it's not being shared in a way that seems fair? You know what I mean? Like we're not getting, we're not getting the whole story. And I know that maybe that's too much to expect, but I just like,
Ken (12:25):
With a little more of the whole story, I couldn't agree with you more. And here's, you know, I kind of look at it this way and this is, uh, this is kinda my optimism, um, way of looking at the world. So I'm not, I'm not advising anybody to accept this for themselves. In fact, you may have just the opposite way of looking at things you may take. The world is completely black and white. It's either good or bad and you have to go down that path. So I don't, I don't necessarily look at things that way. I look at things in terms of, of how I can, uh, how I can have peace and tranquility and joy and still, you know, stand on my values as I walked through this thing. So I look at, uh, you know, when first, when mass first came out, I was like, Oh, well, gee, I should start an ass company.
Ken (13:15):
That's who I am. I'm an entrepreneur, right? This was, this is way back in March. Oh. As soon as the virus came out, I said, Oh, everybody's going to wear a mask. And my wife's like, no, they're not. I said, Oh yeah, your watch. Everybody's going to have a basket. Just follow it, follow the, follow the lead. I think I saw Mascon China or something. I said, Oh yeah, that'll be here. And, um, you know, so I thought, well, and then the mass CA did come out and I was upset for a while. I was like, Oh, how can anybody be that ignorant to wear a mask? And, you know, and then I looked at the studies and I saw, Oh, well, you know, the master, like a mosquito going through a, a chain link fence, like for goodness sake, virus is four microns. And these mass protect up to six micron, 60 microns.
Ken (14:01):
So, but for me, I had to go, well, wait a second. Then I got to really rethink this. There are a lot of people out there that feel safe wearing this. They feel like they're in service to others wearing the mask. Maybe their lesson right now is to learn how to be of service to others. Maybe their lesson is to that to be more compliant, maybe they're rebels. So I've me. Okay. Be more compliant. And you know, and there's other people that they need to go the opposite way. Wow. They do everything everybody's told them to the government says blink. And I Blake, you don't, maybe they're less than this something different. So there's a way to kind of look at this and go, well, what if I was to stand back and realize that we are on a planet of, of growth, of evolution, of change of, uh, becoming who we were meant to be, but it's hard to do that when we're upset, we're angry, we're blaming or shaming or guilting people. We're looking outside of myself and really upset. Where's the wisdom of that.
Michaela (15:06):
Hmm. I really liked that can no, one's quite put it that way to me. This is why you have a, you know, world, a world renowned show. Um, I really liked that perspective that maybe we all have something to learn here. I do. And, um, and you know, I've, I've seen the fallout in, in so many relationships, people that I have known for years, um, personally, um, among families with the mask debate, you know, and it's, it's really, you know, if you listen to both sides and I'm always listening, I'm always encouraging people like, Hey, even if you think I have an opinion, the whole idea behind an opinion is it can be changed, right? This is not scientific fact. And this is my opinion. So if you got some other information to present to me that, um, that I can take in, if you present it in a way that I can take it in, rather than just like screaming and yelling at me, then I'm going to take that in. And, and there's a good chance that I may even change my opinion. And if I don't, then that's okay too, you know? Um, but I see, I see the, the, the, the visibility in, in people right now. Um, and it's, it's so sad.
Ken (16:21):
I mean, it's sad. It's it's friend against friend, uh, it's it's family member against family member. It's, it's the Republicans against the Democrats. It's the, uh, you know, the corporations versus the individuals. I mean, it's, you just go on and on it's um, you know, it's all part of duality, but I think what happens is, is that we get stuck in being righteous. We get stuck in my ways, the only way I've done that, I've done the research. I know the science, this is the way it is. And you know, science is an infallible. In fact, science is always changing. We learn something new. It, we change our, our, our theory about one time we thought the world was flat, and then we realized that it wasn't Galileo went, Hey, by the way, guys is wild. Okay. Doesn't mean that there's not flat earthers here, though.
Ken (17:13):
Right? You can go down and study how many people believe the earth is still flat. So everybody's here. So how do we get to that place where we learn what we need to learn to be who we need to be, to speak our truth? You know, some of some people, their truth is they're going to be politicians. They're going to go out there and they're going to, they're going to move people into, into actions and, and, and help them become, uh, and help change the political scene, the political environment. And that's awesome for them. Other people don't have to participate in that way, but here's my message. My message is it's an inside job. If you're watching the TV and you're upset, you know, that's not the first time you've been upset. You've been upset for about a whole bunch of stuff, your whole life.
Ken (17:59):
Why not take this time and start to look at what are the triggers that are upsetting me and how can I bring more understanding and more wisdom and more courage and more truth in my whole life and in my family and my friends. How can I get along with people that I don't agree with? How can I get along? I mean, we talk about racial prejudice. We also have prejudice around our beliefs. Okay, well, I believe this, uh, you know, it's belief, prejudice, right? My right. And your yours is wrong. Therefore we can't even be friends anymore. Right. Right. Is really what we've come to is it's really bizarre to me.
Michaela (18:43):
I like what you said, it's an inside job. And, and, uh, and my husband has even said to me a couple of times. Okay. But just, just look around right here, just right here. What is right here that is triggering you? The answer, nothing, everything that's triggering me is on my phone. So I probably need to get off my phone, but I mean, I think it's absolutely true. It's an inside job. And, um, and I even have, uh, quite a few friends, um, being in California, like you, uh, you know, and I'm in a rural community, you know, there's, there's, there's purple. There's, there's blue, there's red. And, um, uh, and I know that certain friends, I cannot have certain discussions with and that's okay. Um, but I have learned how to at least maneuver, in most cases, through some of this stuff about, you know, masks and social distancing and stuff, because that is like directly affecting our friendship, even trying to go, like we would go out for a drink or coffee.
Michaela (19:51):
We can't do that anymore. So now we've got to figure something else out. You know, we're all kind of trying to like, create this new space. And, and I, and I shared in the very beginning of COVID, I said, I'm on a zoom call, a couple of different zoom calls. I said, we're creating our new normal cause this is terms that I'd always used with trauma clients that had experienced a loss, like, Hey, we're going to take the best from your past. And we're going to move forward and create your new normal. But one thing I have decided, like, I am, I am literally sticking a sock in my mouth because this is not normal. Like, like the, the whole idea that other humans are, are plaguing us. And so we have to not smile at them in the grocery store and not make casual conversation. I can't buy into this new normal, I can't do that. I can't buy into a world where we can't be friendly and kind and have casual conversation with them.
Ken (20:45):
Right. Well, I couldn't agree with you. And, um, I'm not sure where that media comes from. We shouldn't look at people and we should all be all be serious in the grocery store. My, my goal when I go to the grocery store is always to have a, have a little fun. Cause I just like doing that. And I always try to put a smile on anybody's face. I see now truly as it's shifted a little bit, uh, you know, it's certain times you look at people's eyes and they're just full of fear. Yeah. I found this. This is that, um, if we want to be truly influential, we don't start out being righteous. We start out and we meet people right. Where they are. I can't tell you how many friends, like, you know, I had a fellow over in my house. We didn't know each other.
Ken (21:31):
And he came to the door of the mask. And so, you know, it's like, okay, you know what? I want to meet him where he is. And you know, and I social distance immediately from him, right. Didn't try to get close. You know, we talk and pretty soon we started finding what we had in common, right? We weren't focusing on, Oh, I'm wearing, Massey's not wearing a mask. He's in my house and we're not socially distant. We just go there. We started looking at what we have in common. And I really believe as a, as a society, we need to start at that place. In fact, I remember years ago I was working with Tony Robbins and Tony had, uh, had a, uh, exercise. It was basically mirror, actually. It was an NLP, um, training and it was mirroring and matching, marrying and matching. Right?
Ken (22:23):
So we could, you know, the training was this, you know, you would, somebody sat down next to you, right. And they had their legs crossed. You would, you would cross your legs. If they had the arms crossed, you'd cross your arms. And what you do is you'd match their energy. You consciously be trying to match their energy field, right. And with the physical movement. And eventually when you do that with somebody, when you're mirroring match them, you start to feel like you have common commonality together. You know, it's an unconscious thing. And eventually an influential person can move somebody into their, uh, into their influence. And they'll start moving their hands and effortless person start moving their hands. They'll start speaking in a, in a, let's say a more enthusiastic way. And that person will start to get enthusiastic right now. We're all doing this at an unconscious level, but on a conscious level, rainbow consciousness, the mirror and the matching individuals and bring them up into our energy field. Wow. We're, we're probably doing the, if you're a positive person, then you've got the right hat. You've got the right attitude. You're probably making it, you've become now the solution and not the problem,
Michaela (23:34):
You know, what can I'll take it even to the next level on that? I did achieve gong at 1440 Multiversity in Scott's Valley, uh, with my mother-in-law. We can go there for our retreat, every to decompress, you know, detox, socially, all that stuff. And we were doing a similar chigong activity. Not only do you start to follow and lead to the point where it becomes a blur on who's following and who's leading, but you can actually physically feel the energy between your hands. Like, it almost feels like there's like a ball or a vibration between you. It's crazy. I've totally, I know exactly what you're talking about. I didn't realize that Tony Robbins was one of the leaders of that, but I've definitely experienced that. I love what you said. I wanna, I want to actually, I'm going to, I'm going to requote you because this is so Epic. And this is something that as a psychotherapist, we're taught from day one, you meet people where they're at
Speaker 3 (24:35):
You, you, you said, quote, to be
Michaela (24:39):
Influential. We don't start out by being righteous. We start right where they are.
Michaela:
And I think that is so Kaboom, Mike drop. Wow. So true. I mean,
Ken:
We have, we start in humility. We start in a place of humility. Okay. Humility. Uh, one of the definitions is seeing reality clearly. So when you see the somebody's in pain or their suffering or the word they're fearful, do you start out righteous? Oh, I know what's best for you. I know. What's what, uh, what is right for you and your life? No, we don't start there. We start with, we S we'd like to start with understanding and some compassion and, and that takes humility. You know, we, we lower, so we don't raise ourselves up.
Michaela:
I just, I'm just sitting here, you know, like in, in, in recent days as I've started kind of speaking up a little bit and, and I, and I do come at this space of like meeting people where they're at, but what has been so incredible, I can't get over this. It's been so incredibly hurtful to me is the fact that, you know, I'm not telling anybody what to think. I'm literally just posting something and asking why, and, and taking this backlash. And it's just like, wow. You know? Um, but I'm gonna still show up. I'm still gonna show up because for every one of those shameful messages, there's 10, one hundreds. Like, thank you for saying this, or thank you for sharing.
Ken:
Yeah. So what do you focus on? I, you know, I remember, I remember seeing Madonna and Hillary Clinton on a talk show back to back. Right. And they were both asked the same question by the reporter. What do you do with all the negativity? And they both had the same answer. I won't pay any attention to it. So what, what are we focusing on? Right. And it's like, wow, okay. You know, maybe, maybe that's your lesson. I don't know. You know, but it's like, wow, okay, I'm done. I'm done focusing on what people think. I'm not, I'm just going to remember who I am. And of course it's easier to talk about, than it is to do in real life. This is tough stuff.
Michaela:
I feel like, and you know what, this is exactly what I posted in my store today. I said that exact thing. I said, it is so much harder to show up like that. So much harder to show up like that. But I know for me, I feel like every single thing that I've done and every single experience that I've had in my life has led me to a place to be able to have that internal confidence to, to show up and say, no, I know that I'm not coming out here doing any harm. I know that I'm not showing up in a way that's, that's yucky and dirty or ungraceful. And so therefore I'm not going to silence myself, you know? Um,
Ken:
Can we get to a place where, you know, there's a whole bunch of people on both sides of this that feel what you just, they feel the same way. You said, you just said, they feel like they're there. They're part of the solution and they're helping people out and they're, they're putting out what they believe is true. So what if, what if there's more than one truth?
Michaela:
I think there absolutely is more than one truth. Every time I think there absolutely is.
Ken:
I think you're right. But it, you know, it's like, so it, it, it began, it, it becomes a different experience when we said, well, wait a second. What, what is, what is right about what this person is saying and what is right about what I'm saying and how could we, how could we allow both of us to be right, right.
Michaela:
This is exactly what I w what I share with my son. I say, look, if, if you hear a plate shatter in the kitchen and you walk in, and one person says he broke the plate, and the other person, he was angry, he broke the plate. And the other person says I slipped and fell and broke the plate. It doesn't really matter. Who's right. It just matters how you're going to move forward from here. The plate is broken. We need to move forward. You know, there's truth in both of these experiences, how do we move forward from here?
Ken:
Yeah. We moved forward. We moved forward with understanding and wisdom. That's what we move forward from. And unfortunately, uh, in, in today's society right now, we have a lot of people running, a lot of agendas and agenda doesn't usually lead to, um, from, from a place of truth. It leads from a place of what's in it for me. And, you know, as long as we keep doing that, it, you know, and I think of our media, we we've got, you know, got a lot of agendas. We got a lot of political agendas. We've got agendas in our medical community, from our government in different agencies. And, you know, if we could get to a place where we could really pursue what's highest and best for everyone, not just, not just the, uh, the organizer. Okay. What's best for us, really what's best for, uh, the, and I'm not coming from a point of view of socialism, although it's high as the best for everybody, we all need to have a medical insurance.
Ken:
That may be true, but that's not where I'm coming from. I'm coming from a higher place, a place where we really look and we, we start to tap into our own soul, our own wisdom, our own understanding of what really is highest and best. I've often asked the question, why is common sense so uncommon, or we can see that out there right now. Well, I got the answer. Um, you know, as I tuned in and quieted my mind still myself, the is simple. It's that common census. And now another name for intuition and intuition as a quality of the soul, the intuition is our own knowing we all have it. It's there. We all have a conscious unknowing. The conscious, some of it's covered over. Sometimes my, my conscious was so covered over or younger in my life that my body, by my, uh, the beliefs that I bought into the, uh, the way I was socialized, that it was hard to know the soul, but as I started to let go of those beliefs, and the way I did that was I noticed what upset me.
Ken:
Okay. That was a symptom. Oh, I've got something in there. That's really fueling something that I believe inside. Why would I want to hold onto that? If it keeps triggering drama, upsets, craziness, lack, limitations in my life. I said, I'm not going to do that. I'm going to start looking every day and asking myself, you know, what worked, what didn't work? What can I do to improve mostly to take off the rust from the soul that was there until I could start to make wise choices? Do we make wise choices from upset or anger? And, and, uh, righty, I don't, I don't think anybody's ever made the right choice from that kind of energy choices from being calm and peaceful and thoughtful and using our intellect to bring forth wisdom. That's why
Michaela:
A hundred. I, I I'm, I'm a firm believer that violence, I'm never advocating for violence. That's just not a solution. But one of the things that you said that I, that I really kind of liked was about agendas, not coming from a place of truth. And one of the things that I've been sharing on social media more recently is the ideas of mind control. And people say, what are you talking about? You know, like that sounds so woo, woo. We're not, we're not being mind controlled. And then I, and then I, I S I grabbed a screenshot where Facebook had put something on something, and it doesn't matter who at right. They just said, um, if you find this ad offensive, please report it. And I said, on my social media, this is the most minute example that we see almost every day. If you're on social media of mine control, because you didn't ask what they think you led there, you led their mind with your opinion.
Michaela:
First it's like asking a child. Do you think peas are gross? If so, you should throw them out. Okay. So yeah, you asked the kid what they thought about piece, but you let it by telling them that you think piece are gross and they should throw them out. Instead you say, what do you think about piece? Like, if you were truly not having any level of agenda being pumped into us from our media and other things that all questions would be open-ended and unleashing, and that is not what is happening. And as a, the reason that we are able to do no harm, and the reason that we are able to help people make discoveries in their life is because we ask on leading open ended questions, because at the end of the day, what they decide in their life does not have a direct effect on us. So it's okay. But these people that are pumping out these little forms of my new mind control, absolutely. What you decide has an effect on them at the end of the day.
Ken:
Well, I couldn't agree with you more. And I guess the question I would ask is, uh, you know, do you think P's are offensive now, if you ask that to a little kid offensive, mommy, what does that mean? It means that they're terrible.
Michaela:
Right? And there's another, that double speed. Right.
Ken:
I remember I got a bad PR. They are terrible. Okay. Um, I agree with you. And I think, and I take it to the next level too. Um, you know, we use placebo in this country. Um, what we don't use it placebo is, is a fact of, uh, of all research then realize that placebo is somewhere around 30% of most studies placebo. You know, most of the studies that say if they're studying, uh, whether a drug works or not, um, but placebo effect could go as high as 90%, uh, with, uh, placebo, uh, double and triple blind studies. Um, so, uh, I guess placebos around, like with double and triple blind studies using the placebo group, um, uh, again and again. So, um, I say this placebo is, uh, is the power of the mind. And yet some people you say, you know, you've taken this and they go, yeah, I'm getting better. I feel it. Yeah, that's right. And they have a placebo. There's nothing real in it. The opposite is true. Also we can, we can use, uh, the opposite, uh, way we use our mind, right. Is for something negative. Okay. So when I saw the a million, I'm sure there were millions of images going around the world with that colorful bite or that colorful Corona picture. You probably sit in your mind right now.
Michaela:
You want to try it right now? Yeah. Yep.
Ken:
Okay. It's in your mind, that is called the virus of the mind. Okay. That is plugging your mind and saying that that thing is inside of you now for you and me. Uh, it's it's not going to have, probably have an effect, but there are a lot of people that are don't have strong will, and they have a vivid imagination and they're using that, and that is creating disease in their body. That's what I project. That's what I believe. I don't know where the sciences around it, that I've been. If I did the digging, I could find it
Michaela:
Absolutely 100. It is a correct statement that, um, people have been paralyzing themselves with a fear that is not going to create imminent death for them anytime in the near future. Yeah. Like we can say there are a lot of times where we throw our bodies into flight fight or freeze are the best emergency response system on the planet. Like when a car is in your lane and you need to do something or you're going to die. And yet every day, because, and these are my least favorite words in the history of the universe. Kilobit due to COVID.
Ken:
I want, I want to say, I want to say this though, too, is that fear does kill. It's scary. It can absolutely kill it. Kill you. I know that there are people that went to, they were afraid, they got them, they had the virus and they went into the hospitals and they ended up putting on the heart attacks or being put on respirators for something else. And they got, they were panicked. They were, yeah, I am it.
Michaela:
I mean, I've heard so many stories of ER, doctors sending people home with anxiety medicine. Right. Because they're thinking they're dying at the COVID of the Rona. Right. But you know, it just kind of along these lines, the whole due to COVID phrase, I feel like that is the world's biggest frickin excuse for not having to deal with stuff anymore. You know, like, you know, restaurants due to COVID. We have no salsa bar due to COVID. Our bathrooms are closed due to COVID, you know, it's just like become the thing that gets us out of having to deal with things.
Ken:
Right? Yeah. I mean, Hey, if you're an employee, why would you want to clean the bathroom when you can just say, you know, okay, now the owner might think, well, you know what? That's customer service. I want my customers to feel nurtured and be able to take care of themselves while they're in my establishment and feel, feel like, ah, this is like part of their home. The smart ones are doing it. Okay. Heartless people are remembering, you know what? I don't remember that place. They wouldn't let me use the bathroom. They wouldn't let me come 10 feet from their place. They made me stand outside in a line, in a hot sun. I remember that place. You don't want the next restaurant that opens up. That's like them. I'm not going to that place. I'm going over there. I'm going to go where people are treated kindly with respect, with dignity. And, um, and in, in service to that individual,
Michaela:
I literally saw a menu that said due to COVID, please expect poor customer service as well only come around. If you flag them down and they will stand at the end of your table and not clear any plates until your services complete. I was like, really due to COVID, you're going to just put it out there, just like that.
Ken:
Not at all. And a macro level right now, we've got a real challenge in this country with our school children due to COVID, we're going to close our schools. I'll tell you what I
Michaela:
Accidentally got a little upset today about the due to COVID and the harm to our children. And then being, it's really a painful thing as a mom who, um, is in a service industry where I'm helping people who more than ever need to see a psychotherapist. And now I have to choose between that or homeschooling my nine year old. Yeah. I mean, it is really a crappy situation that we're putting our kids in, that we're putting our parents in. I mean, there's just no winners in this game, Ken there's none. No winners.
Ken:
Yeah. Well, it seems that way, but you know, I want to say this, that in any major change that we go through, there's always pathology first and then eventually we'll come out of this and it will be better. Um, it may be painful for awhile. Um, but I am very optimistic that we will, as a people, we are so strong as a nation. We do have a lot of people that have common sense. We do have a lot of people that are doing what they believe is truly right for the society they're in service. Um, there is a silent majority here. There's a lot that haven't spoke the truth yet, but they will be.
Michaela:
And, and, and I, and I actually posted something today and kind of shared some of the backlash I've gotten and said, it's no wonder there's a silent majority, but I will say I also posted that due to COVID I've now brought my family and friends closer than ever due to COVID. I've now had more downtime with my kid than I would have otherwise had more time to reconnect and think about what I want in life. There are definitely silver linings. And I was just sharing on a, on a podcast that I was on this morning that, you know, anytime every, every winter, every winter, I walk out to my garden and it is literally a mess of dirt, hoop and wheat. And I have to spend all that time in these weeds and in this method mess and in this kind of this depth phase of, of, of, of cleaning and clearing and grounding and planning and working, and I, and I have to show up day after day, and it's hard and it's messy and it's yucky and it doesn't feel good at first, but then comes spring when I plant those seeds and then come summer when everything starts to blossom again, and then come fall.
Michaela:
When I get to harvest, you realize that sometimes you have to make a really big mess to see the most change, to see the most growth
Ken:
That is so true out of chaos can come clarity. And the, the garden that is created out of this mess that we're in, because we are in the winter. Uh, uh, you know, I don't even know if we've got to winter yet. We're in the fall. So falling apart, it all, it's all falling apart, right? We're in the fall, the leaves are falling off for three weeks and yeah, in the winter, in the winter, we will, that's where the, the wisdom comes in. I believe the winter, you know, we get still, we start to realize what we've done. We start to look at maybe the science we start to look at, what's worked and what hasn't worked to, what, what can we do to improve? Uh, we start to let go of maybe some of the self centered interest groups that are so prevalent right now. And we start to come together is a, is a society. Again,
Michaela:
I couldn't agree more. And just to touch a little bit on what you said, that, um, the silent majority of people that are starting to speak up, um, what about those ones who are still afraid? Any advice for people who know something doesn't feel right in their belly that want to start having conversations, any advice to them on how to start having dialogue?
Ken:
Well, I'm going to be a little self serving right this second, but I did write a book, took me six years to write it. It's called the courage to change everything. And the book is all about finding the courage and finding, uh, finding your voice, finding what you stand for, finding, um, that place inside of you, where, you know, your own truth in your event, you, you allow yourself to step into that in a way that represents who you are and supports yourself, your community, your family, and those that you love deeply. So against all the courage to change everything, people can get that, uh, courage to change dot U S Curtis, to change that us, but to summarize it, yeah, we need to step into truth, love and courage. Think of those three values. Was it truthful? Is it truthful? Is it beautiful? Do I feel like this is bringing more love into the world and in my every day, what are three courageous steps that I could take?
Michaela:
I love that. And I love that you shared the book. Cause that was my last question for you. I've gotten, I've gotten to talk with you like once a month now, since the covert hit. And I swear these are the greatest dialogues that I, that I get to have, and these are definitely the kind of conversations that I encourage other people to have. Um, you know, sit down with people that, that do feel safe to you in your circle and, and have these conversations. Cause I guarantee you there's someone else who's asking the same question.
Ken:
Yeah. Mikayla, you're going to have to come back on my show. We're going to have to have another, another one of these talks because, um, they're real, they're authentic. They're just coming from our heart. They're coming from, you know, there's, there's really no agenda here, except it like for me, I know that life glows when I'm in service to others. I know that it's something I live for. I I've evolved myself as a result of that. And so I think if the listeners are thinking, wow, what can I do next? Well, you know, if you were really courageous, what are those three action steps that you would take to have more joy, more peace, maybe more prosperity in your life and go pass onto somebody else? Um, I don't know, but you Mikayla, but you know, one of the ways that I, I love to give is a, there's an organization that I give all the time.
Ken:
It's called Kiba K IVA and they're supporting, they support a lot of different, uh, entrepreneurs around the world. They're micro lending. And what I do is I, I always support the women cause I think we need more women entrepreneurs in the world. I think that, uh, the, the more we can let go of the, the male masculine, energetic, I know at all, it's my way hit the highway, that old energy and bring in more of that wisdom and understanding compassion in the world. When we have balance of both this world is going to be phenomenal.
Michaela:
I love that. I love that. That's amazing. I'm going to check out Kiva. I'm going to link your book. I really appreciate you taking the time to come out here. And, um, you know, I know that we shifted gears a little bit, but I think that the heart of the podcast is still here, which is speak your truth with grace, live a courageous life of authenticity and, uh, and know, and, and seek your inner truth, really just know in your heart what you want and what you need.
Ken:
Isn't that it, so, like we said, it's so easy to talk about. Can you actually apply it in your life on a daily basis? That's the challenge for all of us.
Michaela:
Thank you so much, Ken, for coming on and we'll connect offline too.
Ken:
Oh yeah, let's do that for sure. Okay. Bye bye. Bye. Bye.